Tuesday, March 20, 2012

Guest Blog by EJ Lawrence: Why NCIS is Better than CSI…

I'd like to introduce our guest blogger, EJ Lawrence. EJ is a Forensic Scientist who specializes in DNA. I wrote a blog a few weeks ago about fun people I meet at Starbucks and she's one of the best.








Here's a picture of EJ with David McCallum who plays Ducky in NCIS, she's the one on the left.
























Like anyone who has worked in a field long enough knows, watching a dramatization of that field on TV is perilous at best. More often than not it leads to copious amounts of screaming at the characters and their actions. My husband has flat out forbidden me from watching anything on the History or Discovery channel relating to Ancient Egypt while he is home. More recently, this also applies to Forensic Science. If it documents the process of a real life case, it is good to go, but I am incredibly wary of any dramatization. The multitudes of TV shows — CSI, Bones, Cold Case, NCIS, Body of Evidence — have even created a phenomenon within the field lovingly referred to as “The CSI Effect.” Jurors are now expecting lots of evidence and lots of science, and God forbid if there isn’t DNA. But if truth be told, some shows are better than others, and I am a huge fan of NCIS. So here is why NCIS beats the pants off of CSI…

1. Do you really believe that we all work in darkened rooms, back-lit in red or blue?

This is probably the most abused of the absurd stylistic choices made by the production crews. I mean seriously, I would like to keep all my fingers attached to my body. And if I had to cut and sand bone fragments with a Dremel in the near dark, I know I would be missing some digits. Over the last ten years, I have been filmed by the History Channel and the Pentagon Channel for specials on the DNA identifications of US Service-members, and I swear, every time, I have been asked to turn the lights off so it would look more like CSI. This is only slightly more annoying than being asked to add dye to my reagents so that the viewers can see what is in all my tubes. It really isn’t that interesting folks. I am adding a clear liquid to other clear liquid. Don’t get me wrong, it does LOOK cool. It just isn’t always practical.

+1 point to NCIS, for being able to see what they’re doing.

2. Please don’t eat in here.

Anything that goes into a laboratory has to be treated as a biohazard, or potentially containing blood borne pathogens. Abby, I love you, I really do. But the Caf-POW has got to go. That is why you have a separate office. And that one episode where you stored your lunch in the refrigerator labeled biohazard, full of chemicals, and gasp, samples… you should be glad that you are still alive. There are enough things that smell like food in the laboratory, that you don’t need to add actual food to the equation. For example, when you sand bone with a Dremel tool and then grind it to a powder, it smells like Fritos Corn Chips. I personally will never eat them again. Even the thought disgusts me, though I do have colleagues who crave them after working in the bone sanding lab.

+1 point to CSI, for following common sense regarding food.





3. Can I have that DNA result to go please?

One of the most difficult things to do when working in the television, or even novel medium, in regards to Forensic Science, is compressing time. Solving every mystery within a 30-60 minute time frame is difficult enough, but many of the scientific tests take much longer than portrayed. Sometimes by days or even weeks. DNA testing is frequently one that is put on the chopping block with results going out just as fast as samples come in, regardless of sample quality or laboratory restrictions. For the most part NCIS sticks to a 12 hour window for turn around, which is theoretically possible. The shortest possible time for DNA results, where I am doing nothing else, is 8 hours, and that is for nuclear DNA. Mitochondrial DNA? High quality is 3 days to a week. If it’s low quality, dried skeletal remains… let’s just say this: I’ve had a single case on my desk that took 1 year 2 months to get results from. Painfully slow.

+1 point to NCIS, for being at least theoretically possible in their DNA turnaround time.

4. No, it’s just me, myself, and I.

Forensic Science is incredibly compartmentalized. You specialize in one type of testing, and that is pretty much all you do. There are Crime Scene Investigators that collect the evidence, Fingerprint experts, DNA Analysts, Ballistics Experts, Blood Spatter Experts, Engineers, Toxicologists, and then the detectives that investigate the cases. Cross training is almost unheard of, though there could be a lab out there where someone has switched disciplines. It remains the exception, instead of the rule. And while CSI is woefully short on the number of people it would actually take to run a laboratory of that size, NCIS has only Abby.

+1 point to CSI, for having the disciplines separated, at least a little.




5. You like my 5-inch black sexy heels?

This cracks me up. Every time. I like shoes, especially heels. Who doesn’t? I have even worn some awesomely sexy, super high heels to work. And I have also cursed the day that I bought said shoes when I was standing in them for 4 hours straight because I forgot I needed to sand and grind some bones for a priority extraction. Sneakers are essential. Right behind PPE (Personal Protective Equipment). Which includes the lab coats, goggles, sleeves, gloves, and masks that we wear while working in the lab. I pretty much live in jeans. If I even think about wearing something nice to work, inevitably it leaves with a bleach spot on it somewhere. I ruin more nice clothes that way than any other. I basically bathe in bleach with the amounts that get used daily.

+1 point to NCIS for Abby wearing more sensible shoes.

(I know you are laughing at this, because really Abby’s choice of shoes are seriously out there, but take a closer look. While they might be ridiculous platforms, her actual feet are almost flat every time. You could stand in them for hours.)

6. I love Abby.

I mean, that should be a criteria in and of itself. Pauley Perrette is an amazing individual. She also possesses a Masters of Forensic Science from Pace University in NYC. She is actually qualified to get a job within the field. And that is so wickedly cool.

+1 point to NCIS, for Abby, because she’s Abby.




7. No one will ever know…

When a TV show gets the science wrong, sometimes it is spectacularly wrong. During Season 9 Episode 4 of NCIS, entitled “Enemy on the Hill,” Abby volunteers to donate a kidney and uncovers, due to her Mitochondrial DNA, she has a mysterious new brother. Now, Mitochondrial DNA is my specialty. I have worked with it for just over ten years now. I will also confess that I didn’t even see this particular episode, but jeez Louise, my co-workers were spitting fire the next day. Mitochondrial DNA is a familial DNA passed from mother to her children, regardless of gender. But there are many limitations. One of the biggest ones is that 7% of the Caucasian population has the exact same sequence. Think of Last Names. Just because you are a Jones or a Smith, doesn’t mean that all Jones and Smiths are related. And while CSI exploits every possible DNA rare exception, they are legitimate exceptions.

+1 point to CSI, just because that episode was so epically bad.

8. Let’s just search the Military’s DNA database.

This is a very common misunderstanding that is not limited to television. I have fielded many phone calls from investigators around the country asking this very question. They think their suspect/victim was military; they have a blood sample; can they run their results against our database? I really hate to burst everyone’s bubble on this. But there is no database. We maintain bloodstain cards for each of our active duty Service-members, but we don’t actually process them unless there is a reason to. And that reason? They are suspected of being KIA and we need to identify their remains to be returned to their families. So anyone who ends up in our system with their card being processed, they are deceased. Though it is so much better for solving crimes in our 30-60 minute window if we can search a non-existent database. NCIS was really good at maintaining that distinction until somewhere in the 3rd or 4th season, where the database was just suddenly there and available. I get it. It’s fake. But I get it.

+1 to NCIS, for being truthful on the military DNA database for a few seasons.

So there we have it; why I think NCIS is better than CSI. A lot of the choices are necessary for the medium that the stories are presented in. And I have wrestled with those same problems. Can I have DNA results back when I need them to move my story forward at the needed moment, or am I messing around with my own field for the sake of the story line? It is a very thin line to walk and every choice makes a difference. I typically write in a mixed genre, what I have begun calling Paranormal Forensics, or mysteries/crimes heavy on the forensic sciences but possessing many of the coolest people and creatures out of mythology. And there have been times were I had to go back into my story’s time-line and add an extra day, solely so that I wouldn’t be asking for DNA results in 3 hours… 24 hours is much easier to explain. At least to myself.


This is what happens when Forensic Scientists get bored.


So what is your favorite Forensic show, and why?

60 comments:

Robin Kaye said...

Hi EJ, Great blog, thanks so much for visiting! My favorite forensics show is definitely NCIS--I love it so much, I actually have the life-size standups of Gibbs and Abby in my office for inspiration. For me it all comes down to the characters--all of the NCIS characters are believable (although I always had a hard time with Jenny--she totally didn't work for me). But since they have the new director, I think it rocks. Oh and I love Abby and Ducky!

Amanda Brice said...

Wow, thanks for visiting. What a great blog!

I totally know what you mean about not being able to watch shows in your field. Back when we were in law school, we used to play "name the ethics violation" while watching lawyer movies.

My fave forensics show is definitely NCIS because of the characters and the writing. the writing just sparkles and I adore the chemistry between the characters. So it's great to know it's the most believable, too!

Christie Craig said...

EJ,

This was wonderful!! I love it. I love NCIS. I love your thoughts. In Blame it on Texas, the second book in the Hotter In Texas series, my hero needed a DNA test. I actually called a lab and spoke with someone who gave me time restraints. When I write and have a cop issue of... would this really happen? I pick up the phone and call my friend who is a cop. I don't ask him if it could happen, I ask him how to make it more likely to happen. He's good at coming up with odd ways to make something a bit more believable.

Thank you so much for visiting Killer Fiction!

CC

Sela Carsen said...

But...But...I love them both! Abby and Ducky totally rock, but Grissom was my reason to come home on Thursday nights for a looooong time. And the lab geeks on CSI are too cute for words. :)

Jennifer Leeland said...

I'm such a Philistine! I love NCIS more because I'm more invested in the characters. LOL!
I always figured the science on all these crime shows was iffy.
My favorite is burn phones. I'd really like to know how often that really comes up. Seems like every CSI, NCIS and Law and Order now has a "burn phone" featured.

EJ Lawrence said...

@Robin - why does it not surprise me you have lifesized cardboard cutouts. That cracks me up.

@Amanda - that is an awesome idea. I have several friends currently in Law school that just may LOVE your "Name the Ethics Violation" game.

EJ Lawrence said...

@Christie - That is always the best option. And even though many shows and novelists have great info to work from, sometime it does need to be tweaked. I recognize that and I do it myself. Though I personally get distracted adding the paranormal in. An example I reference a lot is I took an animal hair microscopy course and the whole time all I could think about was 'I wonder if you could tell the difference between wolf hair and were-wolf hair at the microstructure level." Yes, I know I am a nerd.

Dana Rodgers said...

Thank you EJ for this enlightening post. It always cracks me up how details get changed to make things either more dramatic or to manipulate the timeline for a TV show or movie. Thank you for giving us a glimpse into reality. :-)

EJ Lawrence said...

@Sela - Hot Lab Geeks are ALWAYS a good thing. It is something I miss in real life as the DNA lab is 5 to 1, women to men. It is that way across the whole field for DNA. Perhaps all the hot guys are hanging out with the CSI Units instead.

@Jennifer - Every time I see a prepaid phone for sale at Safeway, I think of Burn Phones. They really are 'Hot' right now.

Shari said...

NCIS is definitely my favorite. I love it when McGee and Abby are working in the lab together.

But I have to agree about the CSI lab geeks and Grissom!

Excellent blog post, EJ!

EJ Lawrence said...

@Dana and @Shari - Thanks so much!

Gemma Halliday said...

I'm cutting and pasting all of this for future use! Thanks so much!

I actually just ran into this in the book I'm working on. I need DNA run and was just *hoping* it could really be done in a matter of days. So glad it sounds like that is possible!

~Gemma

EJ Lawrence said...

@Gemma - In our particular laboratory STAT cases are required to be out the door in 48 hours. But in those cases DNA is the only means of identification. Routine cases can take up to a week, simply because of the number of samples that get submitted. It has nothing to do with how long your particular sample might take, but how long it takes to get to your sample and through a backlog of cases submitted prior to yours. Though I have heard of some private labs were you can pay for expedited processing. And the higher profile a case is, the more media attention it gets, and it is very feasable for samples to jump the line. If you ever have any questions feel free to ask me.

William Simon said...

EJ, perfect material!

Thank you for this! I have to stop myself from laughing out loud when a potential client does not understand why a full scale forensic exam of a computer can run UPWARDS of 40 hours, or why it takes so long to physically process the drive. Yet on both NCIS and CSI, the results are *instant*!

I was once asked to sit in on Jury Selection for a matter I was working with an attorney, and almost howled when a prospective juror asked if they would be shown proof the examination (both LE and defense) was done via laser, because that’s how they did it on CSI, and if we didn’t use laser technology how could they (the jury) be sure of the evidence? How I kept a straight face and didn’t embarrass myself in front of the judge is something I still can’t answer..:)

I once asked a Federal Agent who handled computer crimes how they triaged their cases. She thought a moment, an replied, “By court date.” The backlog is horrendous, conditions are less than exemplary, and a recent investigation headed by the Texas Rangers exposed some dangerous flaws in LE forensics here in Houston.

And I’ve never had a slick, sleek, Black Hummer to drive…:) But then, no one slaps me in the back of the head (whether I need it or not) either...:)

EJ Lawrence said...

@William - I know very little Computer Forensics but what they can do amazes me, every time. I know of several State DNA Labs that organize their cases into two teams. Court date and No court date. And then priorities get made by that date. It isn't uncommon at all.

And while the black Hummer is cool, I would volunteer to be hit upside the head if Mark Harmond was the one doing it.

Leslie Langtry said...

Because NCIS has Ilya Kuryakin! That's why it's the best! Great post!

Anne Marie Becker said...

What a fantastic blog, EJ. Thanks for posting!

And "paranormal forensics" sounds like a great blend - the reality of forensics, but the ability to bend it a bit if needed, maybe? I think that's why paranormal is so fascinating to people...you can bend the rules we're bound to in real life.

Thanks again for the info.

catslady said...

That was absolutely fascinating. NCIS is my favorite. I'm also totally hooked on those ID shows which although reinacted, they are true. I knew the TV shows shortened the timespan but in the real life shows, they usually took years and now with improved DNA there seem to be some cold cases solved but I'm sure that's a rarity.

EJ Lawrence said...

@Leslie - David really is fantastic. As an actor and as a person. I LOVED meeting him.

@Anne Marie - It really is a great blend of genres. Where else can I identify a phoenix feather and look into Fairy Wing Striation Patterns?

@catslady - I adore the shows that highlight real cases. Some recent advances in DNA, even over a few years ago, and advances in technology, have made huge leaps for cold cases. There are cold case teams springing up almost everywhere, so it is becoming more of a regular thing. Which is great for those families who are still waiting for answers.

We just recently Identified several Marines and a Corpsman from Southeast Asia where the bones were submitted to our laboratory beginning in 1996, with submissions all the way through 2010. All 13 of them were finally accounted for just this year, so cases can be extremely slow some times.

mary kennedy said...

This is a terrific blog, I'm a huge fan of NCIS and loved the behind-the-scenes info. I use forensics in my mysteries, but it's the psychological kind, so no lab work involved.

jbrayweber said...

AMAZING blog, EJ. So much great information, and fun, to boot.

I don't watch television, but when I do, I totally understand it's gratuitous at best. Still, it would be cool to have some of those nifty gadgets they use lying around.

Jenn!

Natasha Moore said...

Gibbs & Abby! Enough said :)

Natasha Moore said...

Gibbs & Abby! Enough said :)

Brandy said...

I love NCIS! Every time we watch a show that has DNA and they miraculously come up with results in just a few hours I usually look to my hubs and say "Uh, no. It takes longer than that." (Um, I tend to watch a lot of the ID channel, and the History Channel and the Science Channel- well you get the idea. *g*)
You have me intrigued now. I love forensics and mythology and to combine them? Awesome. Thanks for the great post!

EJ Lawrence said...

@Mary - Thanks so much. I know nothing about the psych stuff so that is still really cool to me. I don't know enough to be offended.

@Jenn - I wish some of those gadets were real. They would come in super handy at times. Especially everything on Bones. I know several Forensic Anthropologists who would kill for those gadets to be real.

@Natasha - totally agree. Several years ago my hubby and I went as Gibbs and Abby for Halloween. It was awesome!

EJ Lawrence said...

@Brandy - Thanks so much. It is super fun to mix the two genres. Mostly because I can make up my own forensic disciplines. I know enough about most to make up ones that are feasable if you add in Shifters, Spell-Casters, Demons, etc. The only downside, was that I had to justify (to myself) that my magic system/world worked genetically.

Great, now I am showing you all exactly what type of nerd I am. Oh well.

Francine Infortunio said...

EJ,I enjoyed your blog. Thanks for the reality check. NCIS is a family favorite. I have no idea what I'd do with it but I want a mass spectrometor 'cause Abby makes it so cool and useful. I even have space on my kitchen counter for it :D

EJ Lawrence said...

@Francine - a Mass spectrometer (aka Mass Spec) is mostly used for toxicology and drug analysis testing, though there are some applications that have applied it to DNA. It is interesting.

My personal favorite is when Abby grabs the DNA results off of the Mass Spec as if that was the machine that actually did the DNA. I hope you have a big kitchen because those suckers are HUGE.

Lauriann K said...

Wow! I love this post! I knew NCIS was the most accurate show (fiction), but I didn't know how accurate until I read this. My friend and I are sooooo addicted to NCIS, and we plan on being twin Abby's for Halloween this year. ;) My second favorites are Bones and The Finder, followed by 48 Hours Mystery (because those are real cases). Thanks so much for putting an amazing real-life-experience post about one of my favorite shows on one of my favorite blogs. :D

Lauriann K said...

(ctd) ALso, NCIS has Cote de Pablo (Ziva) and Pauley Perrette (Abby). Who can't love them? Oh, and Tony (played by Michael Weatherly) is from Long Island!!! GREAT!! :D

carlakempert said...

Personally, I love CSI, but it drives me nutty when I see scientists carrying guns. If you're in a lab all day, why do you need a gun when you're in the field? I take all those shows with a grain of salt and maybe a glass of wine too.

CSI:NY is my favorite, but that's just 'cuz of Eddie Cahill's eyes.

I've never seen NCIS. That guy with the odd smile and bizarre attitude just makes me cringe. No idea what his name is, but I just don't like to see him, period. Ick.
Am I wrong or, in that last pic of the teddy bear, is he wearing condoms on his hands? :-)

Thanks for coming by, EJ! I loved your view on both shows!

EJ Lawrence said...

@Lauriann - Best of luck on your Twin Abby Costumes. That should be awesome.

@Carla - There are only two laboratories in the country that actually do carry weapons. They leave the lab to collect the evidence and they are swron officers needing to go through the academy. It is by far the exception to the rule.

On a side note, we originally cut the fingers off a glove and used that, but the poor bear's hands do resemble condoms. Laughably so. Robin and I weren't sure if someone would point it out or not, but she texted me the moment she saw your comment. Nothing gets by you all. HA!

Adele Dubois said...

Fabulous post. Really enjoyable. Since my husband is a navy veteran, we're NCIS fans in this household.

I had to laugh at your 5" sexy black heels comment. I doubt women dress in low cut blouses and high heels to collect murder scene forensic evidence.

Thanks, EJ, for your insight. Thank you, too, Robin!

Best--Adele

mara said...

Stupid Blogger ate my post.

To recap:
1. EJ is not the set of initials I am used to seeing with you.

2. I believe SEW went as Abby for Halloween...7 or 8 years ago.

3. Trust me, you don't want to see all of us in halter tops.

4. 7% US caucasian? Yeah, we proved that in the staff database.

5. My favorite CSI moment came a couple of years ago when I was testifying. The defense attorney asked me why my results weren't as good as what they showed on TV. I told him he'd have to ask the screenwriters. Dead silence.

EJ Lawrence said...

@Mara - I am crying with laughter over your number 5. Brilliant! I miss having you around at the lab, and yes I have a picture of SEW, and probably 10 others who have gone as Abby over the years. Abby is a fan favorite costume for us lab folks.

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queeneth Thomas said...


i married for 9 years without any child, and with so many trials from my husband side and friends, well God visited me last 6 month ago when i contacted redrock for help, at first i did not have that believe that it was going to work, first he told me to have that great trust that what he his going to do for me will work, and He gave me all my info. firstly i thought it was a joke, He mailed again and instruct me to read the mail at the subject that if i need to solve my present predicament i should replied back. immediately i write him back i known fully well that my day has come for my present predicament. Please be strong in faith and believe God sent. i was help by this great man and how am carry a baby and it for 2 month am happy that my home is in peace and total control i bless God that make this great man to come to me in the time of trouble thanks to redrock of redrocktemple@yahoo.com God well bless the good work for you hand am happy again that i will soon be a mother great thanks redrocktemple@yahoo.com

GET YOUR PROBLEM SOLVE said...

My Name is paul.I will love to share my testimony to all the people in the forum cos i never thought i will have my girlfriend back and she means so much to me..The girl i want to get marry to left me 4 weeks to our wedding for another man..,When i called her she never picked my calls,She deleted me on her facebook and she changed her facebook status from engage to Single…when i went to her place of work she told her boss she never want to see me..I lost my job as a result of this cos i cant get myself anymore,my life was upside down and everything did not go smooth with my life…I tried all i could do to have her back to all did not work out until i met a Man when i Travel to Africa to execute some business have been developing some years back..I told him my problem and all have passed through in getting her back and how i lost my job…he told me he gonna help me…i don’t believe that in the first place.but he swore he will help me out and he told me the reason why my girlfriend left me and also told me some hidden secrets.i was amazed when i heard that from him..he said he will cast a spell for me and i will see the results in the next couple of days..then i travel back to Germany the following day and i called him when i got home and he said he’s busy casting those spells and he has bought all the materials needed for the spells,he said am gonna see positive results in the next 2 days that is Thursday.My girlfriend called me at exactly 12:35pm on Thursday and apologies for all she had done ..she said,she never knew what she’s doing and her sudden behavior was not intentional and she promised not to do that again.it was like am dreaming when i heard that from her and when we ended the call,i called the man and told him my my girl friend called and he said i haven’t seen anything yet… he said i will also get my job back in 3 days time..and when its Sunday,they called me at my place of work that i should resume work on Monday and they gonna compensate me for the time limit i have spent at home without working..My life is back into shape,i have my girlfriend back and we are happily married now with a baby boy and i have my job back too.This man is really powerful..if we have up to 20 people like him in the world,the world would have been a better place..he has also helped many of my friends to solve many problems and they are all happy now..Am posting this to the forum for anybody that is interested in meeting the man for help.you can mail him to priest_gbenga.magic_temple@priest.com, I cant give out his number cos he told me he don’t want to be disturbed by many people across the world..he said his email is okay and he also have a web site if you want to visit him there’ he will replied to any emails asap..hope he helped u out too..good luck. his web site is priestgbengamagichome.webs.com
PAUL MULLER

GET YOUR PROBLEM SOLVE said...

My Name is paul.I will love to share my testimony to all the people in the forum cos i never thought i will have my girlfriend back and she means so much to me..The girl i want to get marry to left me 4 weeks to our wedding for another man..,When i called her she never picked my calls,She deleted me on her facebook and she changed her facebook status from engage to Single…when i went to her place of work she told her boss she never want to see me..I lost my job as a result of this cos i cant get myself anymore,my life was upside down and everything did not go smooth with my life…I tried all i could do to have her back to all did not work out until i met a Man when i Travel to Africa to execute some business have been developing some years back..I told him my problem and all have passed through in getting her back and how i lost my job…he told me he gonna help me…i don’t believe that in the first place.but he swore he will help me out and he told me the reason why my girlfriend left me and also told me some hidden secrets.i was amazed when i heard that from him..he said he will cast a spell for me and i will see the results in the next couple of days..then i travel back to Germany the following day and i called him when i got home and he said he’s busy casting those spells and he has bought all the materials needed for the spells,he said am gonna see positive results in the next 2 days that is Thursday.My girlfriend called me at exactly 12:35pm on Thursday and apologies for all she had done ..she said,she never knew what she’s doing and her sudden behavior was not intentional and she promised not to do that again.it was like am dreaming when i heard that from her and when we ended the call,i called the man and told him my my girl friend called and he said i haven’t seen anything yet… he said i will also get my job back in 3 days time..and when its Sunday,they called me at my place of work that i should resume work on Monday and they gonna compensate me for the time limit i have spent at home without working..My life is back into shape,i have my girlfriend back and we are happily married now with a baby boy and i have my job back too.This man is really powerful..if we have up to 20 people like him in the world,the world would have been a better place..he has also helped many of my friends to solve many problems and they are all happy now..Am posting this to the forum for anybody that is interested in meeting the man for help.you can mail him to priest_gbenga.magic_temple@priest.com, I cant give out his number cos he told me he don’t want to be disturbed by many people across the world..he said his email is okay and he also have a web site if you want to visit him there’ he will replied to any emails asap..hope he helped u out too..good luck. his web site is priestgbengamagichome.webs.com
PAUL MULLER

Esango Shrine said...

Hi everyone i will never forget the help the Mother Esango Shrine render to me in my marital life. i have been married for 4 years now and my husband and i love each other very dearly . after 3 years of our marriage my husband suddenly change he was having an affair with a lady outside,i notice it then i was praying for divine intervention the thing became more serious i told my pastor about it we prayed but nothing happen. my husband just came home one day he pick up his things and left me and the kids to his mistress outside at this time i was confuse not knowing what to do again because i have lost my husband and my marriage too. i was just checking my mails in the office when i saw someone sharing her testimony on how the Mother Esango help her out with her marital problems so i contacted the email of Mother Esango. I told her my problem and i was told to be calm that i have come to the right place that i should fill some information concerning my self i did after some time she called me again congratulating me that my problems will be solve within 13days. She told me what went wrong with my husband and how it happen. that they will restored my marriage but i will make a free donation to their Shrine anything my heart told me. to my greatest surprise my husband came to my office begging me on his knees that i should find a place in my heart to forgive him i quickly ask him up that i have forgiven him.friends your case is not too hard why don't you give Mother Esango a try she powerful and kind. i know she will also bring back your husband. i promise to keep sharing her good work any time i'm on the internet. when ever i come across a forum like this, i always share the testimony. contact her via mother_esango.shrine@angelic.com or visit her website www.esangoshrine.webs.com

Susan williams said...

My Name is Susan williams , From United States . I wish to share my testimonies with the general public about what this man called Dr Dahiru has just done for me , this man has just brought back my lost Ex husband to me with his great spell, I was married to this man called williams we were together for a long time and we loved our self's but when I was unable to give him a child for 2 years he left me and told me he can't continue anymore then I was now looking for ways to get him back until a friend of mine told me about this man and gave his contact email, then you won't believe this when I contacted this man on my problems he prepared this spell cast and bring my lost husband back, and after a month I miss my month and go for a test and the result stated am pregnant am happy today am a mother of a baby girl, thank you once again the great Dr Dahiru for what you have done for me, if you are out there passing through any of this problems listed below: (1) If you want your ex back. (2) if you always have bad dreams. (3) You want to be promoted in your office. (4) You want women/men to run after you. (5) If you want a child. (6) You want to be rich. (7) You want to tie your husband/wife to be yours forever. (8) If you need financial assistance. (9) How you been scammed and you want to recover you lost money (10) Cure for HIV - you can contact hem via: email arewaspecialisttemple@yahoo.com OR YOU CAN AS WELL EMAIL ME TO CONFIRM IT TRUE MY EMAIL susanwilliams3456@gmail.com

sandra said...



hello,i am From United Kingdom. I wish to share my testimonies with the general public about what this man called Dr sambo has just done for me , this man has just brought back my lost Ex husband to me with his great spell, I was married to this man called Steven we were together for a long time and we loved our self’s but when I was unable to give him a child for 2 years he left me and told me he can’t continue anymore then I was now looking for ways to get him back until a friend of mine told me about this man and gave his contact email(sambospellcaster@gmail.com) then you won’t believe this, when I contacted this man on my problems he prepared this spell cast. and bring my lost husband back, and after a month I miss my monthly period and i go for a test and the result stated am pregnant. am happy today am a mother of a baby girl, thank you once again the great DR sambo for what you have done for me, if you are out there passing through any of this problems listed below: you can contact him via Email; sambospellcaster@gmail.com

1) If you want your ex back.

(2) if you always have bad dreams.

(3) You want to be promoted in your office.

(4) You want women/men to run after you.

(5) If you want a child.

(6) You want to be rich.

(7) You want to tie your husband/wife to be

yours forever.

(8) Or you have been scammed and you want to recover your lost money (sambospellcaster@gmail.com)

Ava Charles said...

This would be my second time here. Just to say another thank you to DR.LOVESPELL for all he has done for me. Unlike other spell casters in Africa and Asia who are not true. He got my ex back just after all hopes was lost, he got me a job and with rapid promotion in a company that hardly promotes people. Here is the link, i was one of them http://www.hardwaremerchandising.com/news/walmart-promotes-25-000-employees-at-store-ceremonies/1002692320/?&er=NA now we are getting married in two weeks time. Special thanks to DR.LOVESPELL. To my greatest surprise, it was almost free. I am so happy i can be this happy again in my life. You can contact him directly via e-mail on lovespellpower@hotmail.com Here
is one simple way to differentiate between the fake and the real spell casters. As for the fake ones, you would see some stories of how the swindled some people. Their list is all over the internet. DR.LOVESPELL is exemption from that list.

loveth said...

My Name is Sandra Analos I never believed in Love Spells or Magics until I met this special spell caster when i contact this man called hinduspelltemple@yahoo.com Execute some business..He is really powerful..My Husband divorce me with no reason for almost 4 years and i tried all i could to have him back cos i really love him so much but all my effort did not work out.. we met at our early age at the college and we both have feelings for each other and we got married happily for 5 years with no kid and he woke up one morning and he told me hes going on a divorce..i thought it was a joke and when he came back from work he tender to me a divorce letter and he packed all his loads from my house..i ran mad and i tried all i could to have him back but all did not work out..i was lonely for almost 4 years So when i told the spell caster what happened he said he will help me and he asked for her full name and his picture..i gave him that..At first i was skeptical but i gave it a try cos have tried so many spell casters and there is no solutionso when he finished with the readings,he got back to me that hes with a woman and that woman is the reason why he left meThe spell caster said he will help me with a spell that will surely bring him back.but i never believe all thishe told me i will see a positive result within 24 hours of the day..24hours later,he called me himself and came to me apologizing and he told me he will come back to me..I cant believe this,it was like a dream cos i never believe this will work out after trying many spell casters and there is no solution..The spell caster is so powerful and after that he helped me with a pregnancy spell and i got pregnant a month later and find a better job..we are now happy been together again and with lovely kid..This spell caster has really changed my life and i will forever thankful to him..he has helped many friends too with similar problem too and they are happy and thankful to him..This man is indeed the most powerful spell caster have ever experienced in life..Am Posting this to the Forum in case there is anyone who has similar problem and still looking for a way out..you can reach him here:hinduspelltemple@gmail.com CONTACT THIS GREAT AND POWERFUL SPELL CASTER CALLED DR SHIVA... HIS EMAIL ADDRESS IS :hinduspelltemple@yahoo.com CONTACT HIM NOW AND BE FAST ABOUT IT SO HE CAN ALSO ATTEND TO YOU BECAUSE THE EARLIER YOU CONTACT HIM NOW THE BETTER FOR YOU TO GET QUICK SOLUTION TO ALL YOUR PROBLEMS or visIt his website at http://hinduspelltempleofsolut ion.webs.com

rose said...

THANKS TO GREAT DR AISABU FOR SOLVING MY PROBLEMS HIS EMAIL IS (aisabulovespell@gmail.com)

i was married to my husband for 5 years we were living happily together for this years and not until he traveled to Italy for a business trip where he met this girl and since then he hate me and the kids and love her only. so when my husband came back from the trip he said he does not want to see me and my kids again so he drove us out of the house and he was now going to Italy to see that other woman. so i and my kids were now so frustrated and i was just staying with my mum and i was not be treating good because my mother got married to another man after my father death so the man she got married to was not treating her well, i and my kids where so confuse and i was searching for a way to get my husband back home because i love and cherish him so much so one day as i was browsing on my computer i saw a testimony about this spell caster DR AISABU testimonies shared on the internet by a lady and it impress me so much i also think of give it a try. At first i was scared but when i think of what me and my kids are passing through so i contact him and he told me to stay calm for just 24 hours that my husband shall come back to me and to my best surprise i received a call from my husband on the second day asking after the kids and i called DR. AISABU and he said your problems are solved my child. so this was how i get my family back after a long stress of brake up by an evil lady so with all this help from DR AISABU, i want you all on this forum to join me to say a huge thanks to DR AISABU, and i will also advice for any one in such or similar problems or any kind of problems should also contact him his email is )(aisabulovespell@gmail.com he is the solution to all your problems and predicaments in life. once again his email address is (aisabulovespell@gmail.com)

HE IS SPECIALIZE IN THE THE FOLLOWING SPELL.

(1) If you want your ex back.
(2) if you always have bad dreams.
(3) If you want to be promoted in your office.
(4) If you want women/men to run after you.
(5) If you want a child.
(6) If you want to be rich.
(7) If you want to tie your husband/wife to be yours forever.
(8) If you need financial assistance.
(9) How you been scammed and you want to recover you lost money.
(10) if you want to stop your divorce.
(11) if you want to divorce your husband.
(12) if you want your wishes to be granted.
(13) Pregnancy spell to conceive baby
(14) Guarantee you win the troubling court cases & divorce no matter how what stage
(15) Stop your marriage or relationship from breaking apart.
(16) if you have any sickness like ( H I V ), (CANCER) or any sickness.
once again make sure you contact him if you have any problem he will help you. his email address is (aisabulovespell@gmail.com) contact him immediately.

monica smith said...

i am miss MONICA from U K, I promise to share this testimony all over the world once my boyfriend return back to me, and today with all due respect i want to thank DR.UKO for bringing joy and happiness to my relationship and my family. I want to inform you all that there is a spell caster that is real and genuine. I never believed in any of these things until i loosed my boyfriend, I required help until i found ukospelltemple@yahoo.com a grate spell caster, And he cast a love spell for me, and he assured me that I will get my boyfriend back in two days after the spell has been cast. two days later, my phone rang, and so shockingly, it was my boyfriend who has not called me for past 10 years now, and made an apology for the heart break, and told me that he is ready to be my back bone till the rest of his life with me. DR.UKO released him up to know how much i loved and wanted him. And opened his eyes to picture how much we have share together. As I'm writing this testimony right now I'm the most happiest girl on earth and me and my boyfriend is living a happy life and our love is now stronger than how it were even before our break up. So that's why I promised to share my testimony all over the universe.All thanks goes to DR.UKO for the excessive work that he has done for me. Below is the email address in situation you are undergoing a heart break, and I assure you that as she has done mine for me, she will definitely help you too. ukospelltemple@yahoo.com

Beatrix Harvey said...

Thank you very much Priest Ajigar for i never thought any thing could make my husband come back to me as his wife again after he broke up with me and left to settle down with another woman who never Knew how we both suffered and share feelings together in USA but thank God today i was lucky to see this great spell caster on a site after seeing a lots of testimony and good work he have done in the lives of people helping them to get their ex,husbands and wife renewing their relationship i was convinced and i contacted him and just in 3 days after the spell was casted my beloved husband came looking for me and right now we are together again and he is taking care of me and the little kids as his responsibilities and family.I advice today if you are looking for a real and powerful spell caster just know that Priest Ajigar is a very powerful and a genuine spell caster and he don't do dark or black magic here is his email(priestajigarspells@live.com)

Beatrix Harvey

Beatrix Harvey said...

Thank you very much Priest Ajigar for i never thought any thing could make my husband come back to me as his wife again after he broke up with me and left to settle down with another woman who never Knew how we both suffered and share feelings together in USA but thank God today i was lucky to see this great spell caster on a site after seeing a lots of testimony and good work he have done in the lives of people helping them to get their ex,husbands and wife renewing their relationship i was convinced and i contacted him and just in 3 days after the spell was casted my beloved husband came looking for me and right now we are together again and he is taking care of me and the little kids as his responsibilities and family.I advice today if you are looking for a real and powerful spell caster just know that Priest Ajigar is a very powerful and a genuine spell caster and he don't do dark or black magic here is his email(priestajigarspells@live.com)

Beatrix Harvey

rm said...


ogbefispell@gmail.com love spell has huge powers! I cant believe what's happening to me! It's been only 3 weeks since you did that spell and Victor is already after me. Since the last week-end he phoned at least 5 times. I believe he seems to realize his mistakes. It's absolutely happening as you said!! Thank you! Your work is helping me so much… Without you I would feel so lonely and miserable... Thank you ogbefispell@gmail.com!

Miss Joyce said...

I am Mrs Joyce Patrick from Canada, I have great joy in me as i am writing this testimony about the great man called Dr.Ekpiku When my lover left me i never taught that i will be able to get him back after all he has put me through, But i am so happy that after the interference of Dr.Ekpiku i was able to get my lover back after 24hours and i can proudly to say, that who ever need help in getting there lover back should contact Dr.Ekpiku on these contact details below Ekpikuspelltemple@live.com for proper understanding of what i have just witness. And i promise that he will help you as he help me.

iziengbe luke said...


My name is PEARL and...“My life is back!!! After 14 years of Broken
marriage, my husband left me and our two twins . I felt like my life was
about to end i almost commited suicide, i was emotionally down for a very
long time. Thanks to a spell caster called Dr odion which i met online. On
one faithful day, as I was browsing through the internet, I was searching
for a good spell caster that can solve my problems. I came across alot of
testimonies about this particular spell caster. Some people testified that
he brought their Ex lover back, some testified that he restores womb,cure
cancer,and other sickness, some testified that he can cast a spell to stop
divorce and so on. i also come across one particular testimony,it was about
a woman called sonia,she testified about how Dr Odion brought back her Ex
lover in less than 7 days and reverse the effect of their little boys
cancer, and at the end of her testimony she dropped Dr odions e-mail
address. After reading all these,I decided to give Dr odion
a try. I contacted him via email and explained my problem to him. In just 3
days, my husband came back to me. We solved our issues, and we are
even happier than before. Dr odion is really a gifted man and i will not
stop
publishing him because he is a wonderful man... If you have a problem and
you are looking for a real and genuine spell caster to solve all your
problems for you. Try Dr odion anytime, he might be the answer to your
problems. Here's his contact:drodionspelltemple@gmail. com. Thank you Dr
Odion

hanna said...


I NEVER BELIEVED IN LOVE SPELLS UNTIL I MET THIS WORLD'S TOP SPELL CASTER. HE IS REALLY POWERFUL AND COULD HELP CAST SPELLS TO BRING BACK ONE'S GONE,LOST,MISBEHAVING LOVER AND MAGIC MONEY SPELL OR SPELL FOR A GOOD JOB.I'M NOW HAPPY & A LIVING TESTIMONY COS THE WOMAN I HAD WANTED TO MARRY LEFT ME 2 WEEKS BEFORE OUR WEDDING AND MY LIFE WAS UPSIDE DOWN COS OUR RELATIONSHIP HAS BEEN ON FOR 2YEARS... I REALLY LOVED HIM, BUT HIS MOTHER WAS AGAINST US AND HE HAD NO GOOD PAYING JOB. SO WHEN I MET THIS SPELL CASTER, I TOLD HIM WHAT HAPPENED AND EXPLAINED THE SITUATION OF THINGS TO HIM..AT FIRST I WAS UNDECIDED,SKEPTICAL AND DOUBTFUL, BUT I JUST GAVE IT A TRY. AND IN 7 DAYS WHEN I RETURNED TO USA, MY GIRLFRIEND(NOW WIFE) CALLED ME BY HERSELF AND CAME TO ME APOLOGIZING THAT EVERYTHING HAD BEEN SETTLED WITH HIS MOM AND FAMILY AND SHE GOT A NEW JOB INTERVIEW SO WE SHOULD GET MARRIED..I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT COS THE SPELL CASTER ONLY ASKED FOR MY NAME AND MY GIRLFRIENDS NAME AND ALL I WANTED HIM TO DO... WELL WE ARE HAPPILY MARRIED NOW AND WE ARE EXPECTING OUR LITTLE KID,AND MY WIFE ALSO GOT THE NEW JOB AND OUR LIVES BECAME MUCH BETTER. IN CASE ANYONE NEEDS THE SPELL CASTER FOR SOME HELP, HIS EMAIL ADDRESS IS;okutemple@hotmail.com ......HOPE HE HELPS YOU OUT OUR OPPORTUNITY ... CONTACT THIS GREAT SPELL CASTER VIA EMAIL:okutemple@hotmail.com

Ashley Thomas said...

My Name is John Richmond,I never believed in Love Spells or Magics
until I met this special spell caster once when i went to Africa to
Execute some business..He is really powerful.The woman i wanted to
marry left me 1 weeks to our weeding ceremony and my life was
upside down.she was with me for 7 years and i really love her so
much..she left me for another man with no reason..when i called her
she never picked up my calls and she don’t want to see me around
her…so,when i told the man what happened.he helped me to do some
readings,and after the readings he made me to realize that the
other man has done some spells over my wife and that is the reason
why she left me..he told me he will help me to cast a spell that
bring her back.At first i was skeptical but i just gave it a
try…In 2 days,she called me herself and came to me apologizing..I
cant believe she can ever come back to me again but now i am
happy she’s back and we are married now with lovely kid and we live
as a happy family..Am posting this to the forum incise
anyone needs the man.His email address is uzorspelltemple@gmail.com
the following are the spells that he can
launch within 72 hours. :
( 1) If you want your ex back .
( 2) if you ever have nightmares.
( 3) Do you want to be promoted in his office.
(4 ) Want women / men who are behind you.
( 5) If you want a child.
( 6) [ Do you want to be rich.
(7 ) You want to tie your husband / wife to be yours forever .
( 8) If you need financial assistance.
(9 ) Care Herbal
10) Help get people out of jail
( 11) Marriage Spells
( 12) The Miracle spells
( 13) The beauty spells
( 14) CHARM PROPHECY
(15 ) The Spell of Attraction
( 16) Evil Eye Spells
(17 ) Kissing Spell
( 18) Remove Spells disease
(19)ELECTION WINNING SPELLS
(20)HOW TO GET THE PERFECT VALENTINE’S GIFT FOR YOUR BOYFRIEND
contact him on this email:
uzorspelltemple@gmail.com OR www.uzorspelltemple.webs.com

Rose Dickson said...

Great Thanks to Dr ehicare for helping me when i needed help.
My name is Rose Dickson from Canada I never
believe in love spells until I experience Dr.
DR ehicare temple, and after he cast a love spell for me
my Ex called me to apologize for the pain that he has
caused me and till today we are living a happy family,
if you need a right place to solve your problems
contact DR ehicarespelltemple@gmail.com is the right choice. he is a great man that have been casting spells with years of experience, he cast spells for different purposes like:
(1)If you want your ex back.
(2) if you always have bad dreams.
(3)You want to be promoted in your office.
(4)You want women/ men to run after you.
(5)If you want a child.
(6)[You want to be rich.
(7)You want to tie your husband/wife to be yours forever.
(8)If you need financial assistance.
(9)Herbal care
Contact him today on: drehicarespelltemple@gmail.com or call him on these number +2347037098000.

Rose Dickson said...

Great Thanks to Dr ehicare for helping me when i needed help.
My name is Rose Dickson from Canada I never
believe in love spells until I experience Dr.
DR ehicare temple, and after he cast a love spell for me
my Ex called me to apologize for the pain that he has
caused me and till today we are living a happy family,
if you need a right place to solve your problems
contact DR ehicarespelltemple@gmail.com is the right choice. he is a great man that have been casting spells with years of experience, he cast spells for different purposes like:
(1)If you want your ex back.
(2) if you always have bad dreams.
(3)You want to be promoted in your office.
(4)You want women/ men to run after you.
(5)If you want a child.
(6)[You want to be rich.
(7)You want to tie your husband/wife to be yours forever.
(8)If you need financial assistance.
(9)Herbal care
Contact him today on: drehicarespelltemple@gmail.com or call him on these number +2347037098000.

Mercy brown said...

I’m Mercy brown by name I have a few testimony to share with you all about myself, I was in a relationship with this guy and for 3years and we were about getting married when we both have misunderstanding with each other and he ask me for a divorce and we both agreed and after 4months I head that he was having an affair with one of my closest friend and I was very upset and worried so a friend of my advice me and told me if I still love my ex and if I really want to have him back so I told her yes, and she ask me to contact Dr. Madurai the spell caster and I did although I never believe on spell so he gave me something when he was casting the spell and ask me to say my wishes on it and after the casting of the spell a receive a phone call from my ex and was ask me at which I did and now we are back together again I’m so happy and I wish not to ever have this mistake again in my life. I will also advice anyone with this kind of issue to contact him for help he is really nice on phone and always there to answer you question giving you the good advice that you need. his email is maduraitemple@yahoo.com