Tuesday, March 20, 2012

Guest Blog by EJ Lawrence: Why NCIS is Better than CSI…

I'd like to introduce our guest blogger, EJ Lawrence. EJ is a Forensic Scientist who specializes in DNA. I wrote a blog a few weeks ago about fun people I meet at Starbucks and she's one of the best.








Here's a picture of EJ with David McCallum who plays Ducky in NCIS, she's the one on the left.
























Like anyone who has worked in a field long enough knows, watching a dramatization of that field on TV is perilous at best. More often than not it leads to copious amounts of screaming at the characters and their actions. My husband has flat out forbidden me from watching anything on the History or Discovery channel relating to Ancient Egypt while he is home. More recently, this also applies to Forensic Science. If it documents the process of a real life case, it is good to go, but I am incredibly wary of any dramatization. The multitudes of TV shows — CSI, Bones, Cold Case, NCIS, Body of Evidence — have even created a phenomenon within the field lovingly referred to as “The CSI Effect.” Jurors are now expecting lots of evidence and lots of science, and God forbid if there isn’t DNA. But if truth be told, some shows are better than others, and I am a huge fan of NCIS. So here is why NCIS beats the pants off of CSI…

1. Do you really believe that we all work in darkened rooms, back-lit in red or blue?

This is probably the most abused of the absurd stylistic choices made by the production crews. I mean seriously, I would like to keep all my fingers attached to my body. And if I had to cut and sand bone fragments with a Dremel in the near dark, I know I would be missing some digits. Over the last ten years, I have been filmed by the History Channel and the Pentagon Channel for specials on the DNA identifications of US Service-members, and I swear, every time, I have been asked to turn the lights off so it would look more like CSI. This is only slightly more annoying than being asked to add dye to my reagents so that the viewers can see what is in all my tubes. It really isn’t that interesting folks. I am adding a clear liquid to other clear liquid. Don’t get me wrong, it does LOOK cool. It just isn’t always practical.

+1 point to NCIS, for being able to see what they’re doing.

2. Please don’t eat in here.

Anything that goes into a laboratory has to be treated as a biohazard, or potentially containing blood borne pathogens. Abby, I love you, I really do. But the Caf-POW has got to go. That is why you have a separate office. And that one episode where you stored your lunch in the refrigerator labeled biohazard, full of chemicals, and gasp, samples… you should be glad that you are still alive. There are enough things that smell like food in the laboratory, that you don’t need to add actual food to the equation. For example, when you sand bone with a Dremel tool and then grind it to a powder, it smells like Fritos Corn Chips. I personally will never eat them again. Even the thought disgusts me, though I do have colleagues who crave them after working in the bone sanding lab.

+1 point to CSI, for following common sense regarding food.





3. Can I have that DNA result to go please?

One of the most difficult things to do when working in the television, or even novel medium, in regards to Forensic Science, is compressing time. Solving every mystery within a 30-60 minute time frame is difficult enough, but many of the scientific tests take much longer than portrayed. Sometimes by days or even weeks. DNA testing is frequently one that is put on the chopping block with results going out just as fast as samples come in, regardless of sample quality or laboratory restrictions. For the most part NCIS sticks to a 12 hour window for turn around, which is theoretically possible. The shortest possible time for DNA results, where I am doing nothing else, is 8 hours, and that is for nuclear DNA. Mitochondrial DNA? High quality is 3 days to a week. If it’s low quality, dried skeletal remains… let’s just say this: I’ve had a single case on my desk that took 1 year 2 months to get results from. Painfully slow.

+1 point to NCIS, for being at least theoretically possible in their DNA turnaround time.

4. No, it’s just me, myself, and I.

Forensic Science is incredibly compartmentalized. You specialize in one type of testing, and that is pretty much all you do. There are Crime Scene Investigators that collect the evidence, Fingerprint experts, DNA Analysts, Ballistics Experts, Blood Spatter Experts, Engineers, Toxicologists, and then the detectives that investigate the cases. Cross training is almost unheard of, though there could be a lab out there where someone has switched disciplines. It remains the exception, instead of the rule. And while CSI is woefully short on the number of people it would actually take to run a laboratory of that size, NCIS has only Abby.

+1 point to CSI, for having the disciplines separated, at least a little.




5. You like my 5-inch black sexy heels?

This cracks me up. Every time. I like shoes, especially heels. Who doesn’t? I have even worn some awesomely sexy, super high heels to work. And I have also cursed the day that I bought said shoes when I was standing in them for 4 hours straight because I forgot I needed to sand and grind some bones for a priority extraction. Sneakers are essential. Right behind PPE (Personal Protective Equipment). Which includes the lab coats, goggles, sleeves, gloves, and masks that we wear while working in the lab. I pretty much live in jeans. If I even think about wearing something nice to work, inevitably it leaves with a bleach spot on it somewhere. I ruin more nice clothes that way than any other. I basically bathe in bleach with the amounts that get used daily.

+1 point to NCIS for Abby wearing more sensible shoes.

(I know you are laughing at this, because really Abby’s choice of shoes are seriously out there, but take a closer look. While they might be ridiculous platforms, her actual feet are almost flat every time. You could stand in them for hours.)

6. I love Abby.

I mean, that should be a criteria in and of itself. Pauley Perrette is an amazing individual. She also possesses a Masters of Forensic Science from Pace University in NYC. She is actually qualified to get a job within the field. And that is so wickedly cool.

+1 point to NCIS, for Abby, because she’s Abby.




7. No one will ever know…

When a TV show gets the science wrong, sometimes it is spectacularly wrong. During Season 9 Episode 4 of NCIS, entitled “Enemy on the Hill,” Abby volunteers to donate a kidney and uncovers, due to her Mitochondrial DNA, she has a mysterious new brother. Now, Mitochondrial DNA is my specialty. I have worked with it for just over ten years now. I will also confess that I didn’t even see this particular episode, but jeez Louise, my co-workers were spitting fire the next day. Mitochondrial DNA is a familial DNA passed from mother to her children, regardless of gender. But there are many limitations. One of the biggest ones is that 7% of the Caucasian population has the exact same sequence. Think of Last Names. Just because you are a Jones or a Smith, doesn’t mean that all Jones and Smiths are related. And while CSI exploits every possible DNA rare exception, they are legitimate exceptions.

+1 point to CSI, just because that episode was so epically bad.

8. Let’s just search the Military’s DNA database.

This is a very common misunderstanding that is not limited to television. I have fielded many phone calls from investigators around the country asking this very question. They think their suspect/victim was military; they have a blood sample; can they run their results against our database? I really hate to burst everyone’s bubble on this. But there is no database. We maintain bloodstain cards for each of our active duty Service-members, but we don’t actually process them unless there is a reason to. And that reason? They are suspected of being KIA and we need to identify their remains to be returned to their families. So anyone who ends up in our system with their card being processed, they are deceased. Though it is so much better for solving crimes in our 30-60 minute window if we can search a non-existent database. NCIS was really good at maintaining that distinction until somewhere in the 3rd or 4th season, where the database was just suddenly there and available. I get it. It’s fake. But I get it.

+1 to NCIS, for being truthful on the military DNA database for a few seasons.

So there we have it; why I think NCIS is better than CSI. A lot of the choices are necessary for the medium that the stories are presented in. And I have wrestled with those same problems. Can I have DNA results back when I need them to move my story forward at the needed moment, or am I messing around with my own field for the sake of the story line? It is a very thin line to walk and every choice makes a difference. I typically write in a mixed genre, what I have begun calling Paranormal Forensics, or mysteries/crimes heavy on the forensic sciences but possessing many of the coolest people and creatures out of mythology. And there have been times were I had to go back into my story’s time-line and add an extra day, solely so that I wouldn’t be asking for DNA results in 3 hours… 24 hours is much easier to explain. At least to myself.


This is what happens when Forensic Scientists get bored.


So what is your favorite Forensic show, and why?

36 comments:

Robin Kaye said...

Hi EJ, Great blog, thanks so much for visiting! My favorite forensics show is definitely NCIS--I love it so much, I actually have the life-size standups of Gibbs and Abby in my office for inspiration. For me it all comes down to the characters--all of the NCIS characters are believable (although I always had a hard time with Jenny--she totally didn't work for me). But since they have the new director, I think it rocks. Oh and I love Abby and Ducky!

Amanda Brice said...

Wow, thanks for visiting. What a great blog!

I totally know what you mean about not being able to watch shows in your field. Back when we were in law school, we used to play "name the ethics violation" while watching lawyer movies.

My fave forensics show is definitely NCIS because of the characters and the writing. the writing just sparkles and I adore the chemistry between the characters. So it's great to know it's the most believable, too!

Christie Craig said...

EJ,

This was wonderful!! I love it. I love NCIS. I love your thoughts. In Blame it on Texas, the second book in the Hotter In Texas series, my hero needed a DNA test. I actually called a lab and spoke with someone who gave me time restraints. When I write and have a cop issue of... would this really happen? I pick up the phone and call my friend who is a cop. I don't ask him if it could happen, I ask him how to make it more likely to happen. He's good at coming up with odd ways to make something a bit more believable.

Thank you so much for visiting Killer Fiction!

CC

Sela Carsen said...

But...But...I love them both! Abby and Ducky totally rock, but Grissom was my reason to come home on Thursday nights for a looooong time. And the lab geeks on CSI are too cute for words. :)

Jennifer Leeland said...

I'm such a Philistine! I love NCIS more because I'm more invested in the characters. LOL!
I always figured the science on all these crime shows was iffy.
My favorite is burn phones. I'd really like to know how often that really comes up. Seems like every CSI, NCIS and Law and Order now has a "burn phone" featured.

EJ Lawrence said...

@Robin - why does it not surprise me you have lifesized cardboard cutouts. That cracks me up.

@Amanda - that is an awesome idea. I have several friends currently in Law school that just may LOVE your "Name the Ethics Violation" game.

EJ Lawrence said...

@Christie - That is always the best option. And even though many shows and novelists have great info to work from, sometime it does need to be tweaked. I recognize that and I do it myself. Though I personally get distracted adding the paranormal in. An example I reference a lot is I took an animal hair microscopy course and the whole time all I could think about was 'I wonder if you could tell the difference between wolf hair and were-wolf hair at the microstructure level." Yes, I know I am a nerd.

Dana Rodgers said...

Thank you EJ for this enlightening post. It always cracks me up how details get changed to make things either more dramatic or to manipulate the timeline for a TV show or movie. Thank you for giving us a glimpse into reality. :-)

EJ Lawrence said...

@Sela - Hot Lab Geeks are ALWAYS a good thing. It is something I miss in real life as the DNA lab is 5 to 1, women to men. It is that way across the whole field for DNA. Perhaps all the hot guys are hanging out with the CSI Units instead.

@Jennifer - Every time I see a prepaid phone for sale at Safeway, I think of Burn Phones. They really are 'Hot' right now.

Shari said...

NCIS is definitely my favorite. I love it when McGee and Abby are working in the lab together.

But I have to agree about the CSI lab geeks and Grissom!

Excellent blog post, EJ!

EJ Lawrence said...

@Dana and @Shari - Thanks so much!

Gemma Halliday said...

I'm cutting and pasting all of this for future use! Thanks so much!

I actually just ran into this in the book I'm working on. I need DNA run and was just *hoping* it could really be done in a matter of days. So glad it sounds like that is possible!

~Gemma

EJ Lawrence said...

@Gemma - In our particular laboratory STAT cases are required to be out the door in 48 hours. But in those cases DNA is the only means of identification. Routine cases can take up to a week, simply because of the number of samples that get submitted. It has nothing to do with how long your particular sample might take, but how long it takes to get to your sample and through a backlog of cases submitted prior to yours. Though I have heard of some private labs were you can pay for expedited processing. And the higher profile a case is, the more media attention it gets, and it is very feasable for samples to jump the line. If you ever have any questions feel free to ask me.

William Simon said...

EJ, perfect material!

Thank you for this! I have to stop myself from laughing out loud when a potential client does not understand why a full scale forensic exam of a computer can run UPWARDS of 40 hours, or why it takes so long to physically process the drive. Yet on both NCIS and CSI, the results are *instant*!

I was once asked to sit in on Jury Selection for a matter I was working with an attorney, and almost howled when a prospective juror asked if they would be shown proof the examination (both LE and defense) was done via laser, because that’s how they did it on CSI, and if we didn’t use laser technology how could they (the jury) be sure of the evidence? How I kept a straight face and didn’t embarrass myself in front of the judge is something I still can’t answer..:)

I once asked a Federal Agent who handled computer crimes how they triaged their cases. She thought a moment, an replied, “By court date.” The backlog is horrendous, conditions are less than exemplary, and a recent investigation headed by the Texas Rangers exposed some dangerous flaws in LE forensics here in Houston.

And I’ve never had a slick, sleek, Black Hummer to drive…:) But then, no one slaps me in the back of the head (whether I need it or not) either...:)

EJ Lawrence said...

@William - I know very little Computer Forensics but what they can do amazes me, every time. I know of several State DNA Labs that organize their cases into two teams. Court date and No court date. And then priorities get made by that date. It isn't uncommon at all.

And while the black Hummer is cool, I would volunteer to be hit upside the head if Mark Harmond was the one doing it.

Leslie Langtry said...

Because NCIS has Ilya Kuryakin! That's why it's the best! Great post!

Anne Marie Becker said...

What a fantastic blog, EJ. Thanks for posting!

And "paranormal forensics" sounds like a great blend - the reality of forensics, but the ability to bend it a bit if needed, maybe? I think that's why paranormal is so fascinating to people...you can bend the rules we're bound to in real life.

Thanks again for the info.

catslady said...

That was absolutely fascinating. NCIS is my favorite. I'm also totally hooked on those ID shows which although reinacted, they are true. I knew the TV shows shortened the timespan but in the real life shows, they usually took years and now with improved DNA there seem to be some cold cases solved but I'm sure that's a rarity.

EJ Lawrence said...

@Leslie - David really is fantastic. As an actor and as a person. I LOVED meeting him.

@Anne Marie - It really is a great blend of genres. Where else can I identify a phoenix feather and look into Fairy Wing Striation Patterns?

@catslady - I adore the shows that highlight real cases. Some recent advances in DNA, even over a few years ago, and advances in technology, have made huge leaps for cold cases. There are cold case teams springing up almost everywhere, so it is becoming more of a regular thing. Which is great for those families who are still waiting for answers.

We just recently Identified several Marines and a Corpsman from Southeast Asia where the bones were submitted to our laboratory beginning in 1996, with submissions all the way through 2010. All 13 of them were finally accounted for just this year, so cases can be extremely slow some times.

mary kennedy said...

This is a terrific blog, I'm a huge fan of NCIS and loved the behind-the-scenes info. I use forensics in my mysteries, but it's the psychological kind, so no lab work involved.

jbrayweber said...

AMAZING blog, EJ. So much great information, and fun, to boot.

I don't watch television, but when I do, I totally understand it's gratuitous at best. Still, it would be cool to have some of those nifty gadgets they use lying around.

Jenn!

Natasha Moore said...

Gibbs & Abby! Enough said :)

Natasha Moore said...

Gibbs & Abby! Enough said :)

Brandy said...

I love NCIS! Every time we watch a show that has DNA and they miraculously come up with results in just a few hours I usually look to my hubs and say "Uh, no. It takes longer than that." (Um, I tend to watch a lot of the ID channel, and the History Channel and the Science Channel- well you get the idea. *g*)
You have me intrigued now. I love forensics and mythology and to combine them? Awesome. Thanks for the great post!

EJ Lawrence said...

@Mary - Thanks so much. I know nothing about the psych stuff so that is still really cool to me. I don't know enough to be offended.

@Jenn - I wish some of those gadets were real. They would come in super handy at times. Especially everything on Bones. I know several Forensic Anthropologists who would kill for those gadets to be real.

@Natasha - totally agree. Several years ago my hubby and I went as Gibbs and Abby for Halloween. It was awesome!

EJ Lawrence said...

@Brandy - Thanks so much. It is super fun to mix the two genres. Mostly because I can make up my own forensic disciplines. I know enough about most to make up ones that are feasable if you add in Shifters, Spell-Casters, Demons, etc. The only downside, was that I had to justify (to myself) that my magic system/world worked genetically.

Great, now I am showing you all exactly what type of nerd I am. Oh well.

Francine Infortunio said...

EJ,I enjoyed your blog. Thanks for the reality check. NCIS is a family favorite. I have no idea what I'd do with it but I want a mass spectrometor 'cause Abby makes it so cool and useful. I even have space on my kitchen counter for it :D

EJ Lawrence said...

@Francine - a Mass spectrometer (aka Mass Spec) is mostly used for toxicology and drug analysis testing, though there are some applications that have applied it to DNA. It is interesting.

My personal favorite is when Abby grabs the DNA results off of the Mass Spec as if that was the machine that actually did the DNA. I hope you have a big kitchen because those suckers are HUGE.

Lauriann K said...

Wow! I love this post! I knew NCIS was the most accurate show (fiction), but I didn't know how accurate until I read this. My friend and I are sooooo addicted to NCIS, and we plan on being twin Abby's for Halloween this year. ;) My second favorites are Bones and The Finder, followed by 48 Hours Mystery (because those are real cases). Thanks so much for putting an amazing real-life-experience post about one of my favorite shows on one of my favorite blogs. :D

Lauriann K said...

(ctd) ALso, NCIS has Cote de Pablo (Ziva) and Pauley Perrette (Abby). Who can't love them? Oh, and Tony (played by Michael Weatherly) is from Long Island!!! GREAT!! :D

carlakempert said...

Personally, I love CSI, but it drives me nutty when I see scientists carrying guns. If you're in a lab all day, why do you need a gun when you're in the field? I take all those shows with a grain of salt and maybe a glass of wine too.

CSI:NY is my favorite, but that's just 'cuz of Eddie Cahill's eyes.

I've never seen NCIS. That guy with the odd smile and bizarre attitude just makes me cringe. No idea what his name is, but I just don't like to see him, period. Ick.
Am I wrong or, in that last pic of the teddy bear, is he wearing condoms on his hands? :-)

Thanks for coming by, EJ! I loved your view on both shows!

EJ Lawrence said...

@Lauriann - Best of luck on your Twin Abby Costumes. That should be awesome.

@Carla - There are only two laboratories in the country that actually do carry weapons. They leave the lab to collect the evidence and they are swron officers needing to go through the academy. It is by far the exception to the rule.

On a side note, we originally cut the fingers off a glove and used that, but the poor bear's hands do resemble condoms. Laughably so. Robin and I weren't sure if someone would point it out or not, but she texted me the moment she saw your comment. Nothing gets by you all. HA!

Adele Dubois said...

Fabulous post. Really enjoyable. Since my husband is a navy veteran, we're NCIS fans in this household.

I had to laugh at your 5" sexy black heels comment. I doubt women dress in low cut blouses and high heels to collect murder scene forensic evidence.

Thanks, EJ, for your insight. Thank you, too, Robin!

Best--Adele

mara said...

Stupid Blogger ate my post.

To recap:
1. EJ is not the set of initials I am used to seeing with you.

2. I believe SEW went as Abby for Halloween...7 or 8 years ago.

3. Trust me, you don't want to see all of us in halter tops.

4. 7% US caucasian? Yeah, we proved that in the staff database.

5. My favorite CSI moment came a couple of years ago when I was testifying. The defense attorney asked me why my results weren't as good as what they showed on TV. I told him he'd have to ask the screenwriters. Dead silence.

EJ Lawrence said...

@Mara - I am crying with laughter over your number 5. Brilliant! I miss having you around at the lab, and yes I have a picture of SEW, and probably 10 others who have gone as Abby over the years. Abby is a fan favorite costume for us lab folks.

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